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sira_underhill ([personal profile] janetlin) wrote2008-06-15 04:17 pm
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Doctor Who 4x10


... Wow, that was a whole lot of nothing. I continue to be disenchanted with RTD. Srsly except for all the yelling, I could have slept through this one. It's a sad state of affairs when the preview for next week is more interesting than the entire real episode. I suppose they need a dud right before the big finale, but still. I'd watch Love and Monsters (oh look, another RTD episode) again before I'd rewatch this.

No plot, no characters, no continuity... just bleh.

EDIT: Oh, there was one shining moment of creepiness, when Dee Dee was quoting Goblin Market. Whoadamn.

really long comment ahead.

[identity profile] trustme1013.livejournal.com 2008-06-16 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
I like how this can be seen as a stand-alone and doesn't have to have too much substance. I mean, how creepy is it that the whole "pete & repeat sat on a fence" thing lasted for almost the whole episode? We never find out what the "devil" was on The Impossible Planet, either (except that the Doctor calls it the devil [for lack of a better term, I feel] in Planet of the Ood), do we?

I'm not 'hung up' on Rose... Okay, maybe I am, but here's the thing. I realize that the Doctor can't have forever with Rose, I realize that she's in Pete's World, the end, etc., etc., but I don't see the need for Moffat to contradict what's been said by the creative directors, in regards to Rose and her significance as a 'companion.' I would understand if it were...say, like RTD pretending to ignore Eight's comments that his mother was human. RTD's kind of like that. If he says the Doctor's 100% Time Lord, ok, I'll run with it, since it's his horse & pony show. If whoever wrote the Doctor Who movie worked directly with RTD and then RTD said, "nya nya! Screw you! I'm going to contradict what you say while you're still here! Pfffft!" then I'd be upset at RTD. Moffat makes these little jabs that just rub me. Don't get me wrong, I liked Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead. CAL was ingenious, truly so...

I'd like to disagree about "Poor Donna barely getting a chance to shine." She f*ckin rocks. Yeah, she's the Super!Temp, but she's so much more than the companions of the past who would scream at the appropriate moment. Catherine Tate has really taken ownership of Donna's character, so I would say there's no "poor Donna" anything. In fact, Forest of the Dead was practically all her. My heart broke when the stutter-guy tried to call out her name. I want so much for Donna because she rocks Just. That. Much.

That being said, I like Martha 100% more this season than I did Season 3 (which would mean I like her 100% now.). She annoyed me, turning everything into a pouting party. So much so that I only watched S3 once until the start of S4, then I started the rewatch, and I only like how her character grew after Human Nature. She realized that it wasn't just about her and that really shone through in S4. Love Martha now. I truly do. The Doctor can't have the same companion over & over again, and I like how Martha was different. I didn't like her S3 different, but at least she wasn't Rose, that would've been insulting & boring..

Much as I love Rose, I really really don't like all the hype around her presence in this season.

I kind of wish they'd left well enough alone...Left me to reading my happy fanfiction and not f*cked it up as, invariably, it will be. Like Harry Potter being left at Book 6, so I could just forever live in stasis and not have to read about another "treacherous ring." How can a Ten/Rose reunion end well, when we know that the Doctor has something in his future with River Current/Rocks/Rapids?? This is troubling me, and ... Saturday/Sunday needs to be here now!!

I really like happy endings! I really want Donna to live! I really like the idea of her ending up with Stutter-Man!

Re: really long comment ahead.

[identity profile] janetlin.livejournal.com 2008-06-16 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
With The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit we at least got the hint that's what it was, though. There wasn't even an attempt to explain it with dodgy science here. I like the dodgy science bits! ;)

Ah, see, I don't see any jabs from Moffat. Sure, he sidelines her (hell, he sidelined both the Doctor and Martha in Blink), but that has never struck me as him contradicting Rose's importance. I've always had the feeling more that Moffat's episodes are sort of standalones. That RTD didn't tell him anything about the continuity of the season as a whole, so Moffat didn't really have much to work with. And if that's the case, no wonder he focuses more on the secondary characters, because he doesn't know what's going on with the mains at the time. (Also ha! regarding them retconning Eight's mother being human. That's like the only thing I remember about the movie, and it was _terrible_, imo)

"Poor Donna" is certainly not at the same level nor for the same reasons as "poor Martha." My beef is that there seems to be so much Rose-squee in the fandom and I just _know_ there are people out there (though thankfully I think I don't know any personally) who are only watching this season for Rose's intermittent appearances and speculating about what they imply about the underlying plot, and aren't paying proper attention to the awesomesauce that is Donna. _That's_ why "poor Donna." I agree that she rocks socks, though, absolutely. I don't want her ever ever to leave. Her dynamic with the Doctor is amazing, and for once I think that regeneration wouldn't faze her, even if he didn't forewarn her (as he probably wouldn't). The Doctor and the show needs someone like that.

Though in utter contradiction, totally ditto with hopes of a happy ending for her with Stutter-Man! (Only, you know, after years and years of traveling with the Doctor.) Martha got to hook up with Tom, didn't she? The snag there is that this guy is in the 51st century. Nothing the TARDIS couldn't take care of, of course, but still.

Ha, I still don't like Martha. She's definitely better now than she was in season 3, but there's still something... just missing. Maybe it's the acting? Maybe it's the writing? Maybe s3 just did too much damage for her few episodes in this season to overcome. At least I don't actively dislike her anymore. She's just... sort of there, for me. To be fair, though, s3 Doctor was an utter douchebag to her. I think I'd spend most of my time pouting, too.

I kind of wish they'd left well enough alone...Left me to reading my happy fanfiction

Exactly! That's what it's starting to feel like, to me.

Aww, I loved Book 7! Finally getting the explanations for everything, and the backstory and omg I'm so in love with Snape (though I do have to admit, talk about fanfic coming to life, with him).

Bleh, I don't believe there really is any future anything with River other than she was/will be a companion. Probably one who thinks perhaps a little too much of herself, just like Rose did at first, before she realized that the Doctor does and did travel with other people. Plus she seems like an odd sort of companion, if she needs to keep a diary of her adventures with the Doctor. If she traveled with him in the traditional sense she'd just be there with him and they'd do stuff and then she'd leave for whatever reason and that would be it. But it sounds more like he popped in and out of her life at different spots in his own, thus her need for writing down what they've done as far as _her_ timeline goes, because it might not be chronological at all for him. She might even be the one he goes and has an adventure or two with while he's _between_ "real" companions. Ha! Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants? But yeah, the hit-and-miss interactions she seems to have had with the Doctor do not indicate to me any kind of deep and meaningful relationship. Especially not this "wife" rubbish people keep going on about. The Doctor knows better than to marry a human, anyway. It's laughably ridiculous.

Re: really long comment ahead. (continued)

[identity profile] janetlin.livejournal.com 2008-06-16 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
I think the trailers are deliberately misleading, so I haven't set my hopes one way or the other regarding the Ten/Rose reunion. I only hope that it isn't obnoxiously fanficcy. But how can it help but be, with the big L word hanging between them? Gah, I wish they'd just left her gone! So actually, I take it back. My hope is, one way or another, for things to be neatly tied off and get rid of the lingering wangst. Just give them a nice clean goodbye.